Os locais mas quentes do sur de Espanha

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Αnd why do you care about Greece and not the UK?Is it bsc Greece has the warmest areas in Europe and makes the Iberian Peninsula look like Antarctica?:lmao:

Dedalus27 or Italianboy (or whatever your multiple nicks are),wherever you go,I think you will have nightmares about Palaiohora,Ierapetra and Karpathos.

http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=38790&start=261&posts=270


Here you can see how Greece has all the top spots in Europe after 170 days of data collection.
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But I think you should also care about the UK and France bsc they beat Spain in everything in terms of warm climatology.Spain can not compete with the UK and French hotspots.

I would also include Anguilla,St.Martins and Monseratt so we can see how much warmer the UK and France is compared to the African Islands of Spain!What do you say?

Hi

I think that comparison is not really pertinent.
Ultramarine territories, ( such as Montserrat, etc...) shouldn´t be used and Macaronesia ( Azores, Canaries, Madeira on this case) are considered european by the CE, as you can see here: http://ec.europa.eu/environment/nature/natura2000/sites_hab/biogeog_regions/index_en.htm

Caribbean ultramarine territories ( Tropical realm) are obviously not included on that list. But actually I have seen lots of habitats data and again while Macaronesia is used, Caribbean is NOT used.
Most Azores still lay on the European continental platform and Madeira/Canaries are much closer to Europe than those Caribbean islands.
Madeira and Azores when were found by Portuguese, were wild islands relativelly close, not stolen islands from tribal people or islands far on the other continents.

About the Antarctica joke, I think that we only have data about few places that have weather stations, so we can only say that one point is warmer than the other , we can´t really extrapolate by there, that one country is warmer than the other because of one city data or one point data.
Mostly when you look at Google Earth and see that Portugal, for example, hasn´t a single weather station on it´s warmest areas, right the opposite of Greece. Spain is a bit better than Portugal on this regard, because they have more weather stations, even relatively, but I doubt that they have as many weather stations as Greece on their warmer areas. So I think that´s too soon to say that one country is warmer than the other, we only can say that «y» place is possibly warmer than « x» place, basing on measurements or even on logic.
There´s no tangible evidence to prove that Iberia is «Antarctida» and Greece is «Africa».
I actually doubt that Greece is warmer than either Portugal or Spain, let alone call others « Antarctida».
 


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Os dados oficiais de ontem dia 19 de fevereiro.

En Canarias um dia mais forte diferença entre os sul da ilha (Maspalomas) e o norte (Las Palmas-San Cristobal).
Maspalomas somente teve um dia com temperatura media< 20ºC!!!!



Em Andalucia Malaga Puerto ontem uma temperatura media de 17,7ºC. Alboran 17ºC



As temperaturas oficiais minimas e maximas de ontem em Grecia

 

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Αnd why do you care about Greece and not the UK?Is it bsc Greece has the warmest areas in Europe and makes the Iberian Peninsula look like Antarctica?

Here you can see how Greece has all the top spots in Europe after 170 days of data collection.
screenshot157m.jpg



But I think you should also care about the UK and France bsc they beat Spain in everything in terms of warm climatology.Spain can not compete with the UK and French hotspots.

I would also include Anguilla,St.Martins and Monseratt so we can see how much warmer the UK and France is compared to the African Islands of Spain!What do you say?

First of all, i don´t think that comparing 1 or 2 years is something reasonable...to have an idea we should have, at least, 15 years of consistent measuring...

You saying that the Iberian Peninsula is like Antartica when compared to Greece is absurd...the only, but big, difference lays on the average of the Tmin, because the maximum temperature, specialy in summer ( Jun-Sept), isn´t lower, but even higher!

Faro ( 1999-2010)
Tm-18.1º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...TEM&FMM=1&FYY=1999&LMM=12&LYY=2010&NOREGION=1

Lisboa ( 1997-2010)
Tm-17.4º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...=TEM&R=0&NOREGION=1&LEVEL=162&LANG=en&MOD=tab

Athens ( 1998-2010)
Tm-18.7º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...=TEM&R=0&NOREGION=1&LEVEL=162&LANG=en&MOD=tab

Rhodes ( 1998-2010)
Tm-19.8º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...TEM&FMM=1&FYY=1998&LMM=12&LYY=2010&NOREGION=1

Almeria ( 1997-2010)
Tm-19.3º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...TEM&FMM=1&FYY=1998&LMM=12&LYY=2010&NOREGION=1

Cordoba ( 1999-2010)
Tm-18.5º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...=TEM&R=0&NOREGION=1&LEVEL=162&LANG=en&MOD=tab

As you can see...it´s hard to have mean annual temp´s very high in Iberia because between May-Jun and Sept-Oct you have SST´s of 26-28º that make your average of min temp rise to 22-24º, about 5 to 7 degrees less than here...

We have the higher average of Max temp ( mainly inland )...thats almost certain...but the monthly average is destroyed by the min temp....so in the end we have almost equal summers ( both in temperature mean and season lenght)...:thumbsup:
 

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Iberia had 61% of the hottest days during August and 74% of the warmest days during January in Europe.

Greece had 23% of the hottest days during August and 16% of the warmest days during January in Europe.

;)
 

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Obrigado pelos dados Costa.

A localizaçao das estacions meteorologicas é muito importante. As minimas mudam muito.
Estive verificando a localizaçáo dessas estacions gregas e todas estao ao lado do mar ou inclusive dentro de uma cidades grande (Atenas).

Malaga Porto tamen esta ao lado do mar. E Malaga Porto é mais quente que Atenas, Rodos e Creta!!!!
 

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Temperaturas oficiais de ontem dia 20 de fevereiro.

Temperaturas MEDIAS em Andalucia. Malaga Porto 18ºC!!!


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Temperaturas MEDIAS em Valencia


Temperaturas maximas e minimas de ontem em Atenas


Temperaturas maximas e minimas de ontem em Creta


Temperaturas em Rodos
 

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Hi

I think that comparison is not really pertinent.
Ultramarine territories, ( such as Montserrat, etc...) shouldn´t be used and Macaronesia ( Azores, Canaries, Madeira on this case) are considered european by the CE, as you can see here: http://ec.europa.eu/environment/nature/natura2000/sites_hab/biogeog_regions/index_en.htm
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And so do all the French areas outside France and also Cyprus!Madeira,Azores and and outermost areas of Europe can be considered European by the EUROPEAN UNION.

Who cares really?In terms of being accepted in the European continent geographically,only people in Portugal might accept them.In this respect it is Greece who has the warmest areas of the continent on average;)

I am afraid the Iberian Peninslula can never compete with Greece's hotspots ;)
 

mesogeiakos

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Obrigado pelos dados Costa.

A localizaçao das estacions meteorologicas é muito importante. As minimas cambian muito.
Estiven verificando a localizaáo dessas estacions gregas e todas estao ao lado do mar ou inclusive dentro de uma cidades grande (Atenas).

Malaga Porto tamen esta ao lado do mar. E Malaga Porto é mais quente que Atenas, Rodos e Creta!!!!

For 10 days!!Give it 365 to watch Greece coming out first!!;)
 

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Karpathos é outro exemplo de ilha muito mais perto da costa de Turquia (Asia) que da costa de Grecia (Europa). Geograficamente é asiatica. Nao duvido que politicamente é grega.

Qualquer ilha das Canarias, Madeira ou Açores é muito mais quente que Karpathos.
 

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First of all, i don´t think that comparing 1 or 2 years is something reasonable...to have an idea we should have, at least, 15 years of consistent measuring...

You saying that the Iberian Peninsula is like Antartica when compared to Greece is absurd...the only, but big, difference lays on the average of the Tmin, because the maximum temperature, specialy in summer ( Jun-Sept), isn´t lower, but even higher!

Faro ( 1999-2010)
Tm-18.1º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...TEM&FMM=1&FYY=1999&LMM=12&LYY=2010&NOREGION=1

Lisboa ( 1997-2010)
Tm-17.4º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...=TEM&R=0&NOREGION=1&LEVEL=162&LANG=en&MOD=tab

Athens ( 1998-2010)
Tm-18.7º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...=TEM&R=0&NOREGION=1&LEVEL=162&LANG=en&MOD=tab

Rhodes ( 1998-2010)
Tm-19.8º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...TEM&FMM=1&FYY=1998&LMM=12&LYY=2010&NOREGION=1

Almeria ( 1997-2010)
Tm-19.3º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...TEM&FMM=1&FYY=1998&LMM=12&LYY=2010&NOREGION=1

Cordoba ( 1999-2010)
Tm-18.5º
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weat...=TEM&R=0&NOREGION=1&LEVEL=162&LANG=en&MOD=tab

As you can see...it´s hard to have mean annual temp´s very high in Iberia because between May-Jun and Sept-Oct you have SST´s of 26-28º that make your average of min temp rise to 22-24º, about 5 to 7 degrees less than here...

We have the higher average of Max temp ( mainly inland )...thats almost certain...but the monthly average is destroyed by the min temp....so in the end we have almost equal summers ( both in temperature mean and season lenght)...:thumbsup:

I will insist that comparing places using 2 or 3 days data is absurd..but if you want to keep on doing this ridiculous pseudo-cientific conversation let me show you something..

Acording to the Algarve Agrometeorological institute, namely the weather station of Alte-Loulé ( located in a deep valley oriented to the south...so..not representative of Algarve´s climate as a whole..) the maximum temperature ever recorded in January is 27.4º!

Do you have any data like that in any other place of Europe?

Here is the data of that year of 2008, when the station reached 27.4º:

http://www.drapalg.min-agricultura.pt/ema/images/dados/alt08.pdf
( You can see that the station is in a good position...quite respectant to WMO protocoll)

Here the data from 2007 until today:
http://www.drapalg.min-agricultura.pt/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=43

The location of this station is such, that the thermal inversions cause very cold nights ( Jan mean of around 3º with the lowest record of-5.5º, and mean values of August only around 17º), but very high maximum temperatures...with January mean around 18º-19º and August mean around 35º.
Also the values are incredibly sustained and regular as the location is very sheltered...
Isn´t this spectacular?!
Yes it is...but it´s also a microclimatic reality that can´t be extrapolated to the remaining territory;)

Here data from Cacela, near Tavira, wich is far more representative of SE Algarve coastal climate:

http://www.drapalg.min-agricultura.pt/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=43