Os locais mas quentes do sur de Espanha



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stormy sabes qual é o recorde de temperatura máxima em Janeiro para Portugal?

Segundo o IM o recorde para o mês de Janeiro é de 26,0 °C em Ladoeiro. (Dia 30 do ano de 1999).
 

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I will insist that comparing places using 2 or 3 days data is absurd..but if you want to keep on doing this ridiculous pseudo-cientific conversation let me show you something..

Acording to the Algarve Agrometeorological institute, namely the weather station of Alte-Loulé ( located in a deep valley oriented to the south...so..not representative of Algarve´s climate as a whole..) the maximum temperature ever recorded in January is 27.4º!

Do you have any data like that in any other place of Europe?

Here is the data of that year of 2008, when the station reached 27.4º:

http://www.drapalg.min-agricultura.pt/ema/images/dados/alt08.pdf
( You can see that the station is in a good position...quite respectant to WMO protocoll)

Here the data from 2007 until today:
http://www.drapalg.min-agricultura.pt/ema/images/dados/alt08.pdf

The location of this station is such, that the thermal inversions cause very cold nights ( Jan mean of around 3º with the lowest record of-5.5º, and mean values of August only around 17º), but very high maximum temperatures...with January mean around 18º-19º and August mean around 35º.
Also the values are incredibly sustaind and regular as the location is very sheltered...
Isn´t this spectacular?!
Yes it is...but it´s also a microclimatic reality that can´t be extrapolated to the remaining territory;)

Here data from Cacela, near Tavira, wich is far more representative of SE Algarve coastal climate:

http://www.drapalg.min-agricultura.pt/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=43


You must be kidding me right?The record of Europe for January is 30.4C in Greece in Vryses,Crete in NOA station

At the same time Herakleion HNMS station of WMO id was 29.8C in January 2010!!I think you must do a revision on what Southern Greece in the winter really means;)
http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=35146&posts=24&start=1
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You must be kidding me right?The record of Europe for January is 30.4C in Greece in Vryses,Crete in NOA station

At the same time Herakleion HNMS station was 29.8C in January 2010!!I think you must do a revision on what Southern Greece in the winter really means;)

OK...
Alte-Loulé and other places geographically similar, like most of the low altitude valleys in Sierra morena and Sierra nevada that are exposed to the S, and also valleys in S Cyprus, S Greece, S Crete and S Sicily are very capable of reaching this extreme values around 28-30º:) ( eventhough min temps can be lower than coastal regions).

Alte-Loulé had an average Tmax of 21º that January/2008...is there any place in Greece capable of having this high average of Tmax in January?
 

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OK...
Alte-Loulé and other places geographically similar, like most of the low altitude valleys in Sierra morena and Sierra nevada that are exposed to the S, and also valleys in S Cyprus, S Greece, S Crete and S Sicily are very capable of reaching this extreme values around 28-30º:) ( eventhough min temps can be lower than coastal regions).

Alte-Loulé had an average Tmax of 21º that January/2008...is there any place in Greece capable of having this high average of Tmax in January?

I dont know about Tmax.I know about Tmean and yes Greece beats the Iberian Peninsula by a landslide throughout the winter and throughout the year.You see Crete is Greece's strong card in the winter and Attica Greece's strong card in the summer.In any case,Greece on average beats the Iberian peninsula every year in mean temps,thus being the warmest in Europe.There is not much of a doubt there.Southern Greece has the perfect position geographically to be the warmest of all the continent.It is so obvious
 

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S and SW Portugal have very mild winters, Mesogaiekos...

Mean coldest month temperatures vary from 10º to a little more than 12º:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Klima_faro.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/2/22/Klima_lissabon.png
( 1961-1990)
http://www.meteo.pt/pt/oclima/normais/
(1971-2000)
The "problem" is that the warmest areas in winter barely reach 20º of mean average in the hottest month...instead, the temperature stalls at 18-22º ( Monthly mean) during the whole warm season ( May-Oct):(
 

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Obrigado André.



I don't think Crete and other islands are in the continent. Are they?

Spare me pls;)

The only isles of Greece that dont belong to Europe geographically is Kastelorizo and those small uninhabited islands that have a lower than 200m water depth seperating them from the Tourkish coasts.Elementary geography :)
 

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Spare me pls;)

The only isles of Greece that dont belong to Europe geographically is Kastelorizo and those small uninhabited islands that have a lower than 200m water depth seperating them from the Tourkish coasts.Elementary geography :)

You said Continent. The continent is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Europe


I'm not saying Crete isn't in Europe, of course. To me even Cyprus can be considered Europe.
 

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And so do all the French areas outside France and also Cyprus!Madeira,Azores and and outermost areas of Europe can be considered European by the EUROPEAN UNION.

Who cares really?

I don´t care, you are the only one who purposes especial conditions to your comparisons.
And the so-called official determinations about where the limits of Europe are, seem to vary quite a lot...




In terms of being accepted in the European continent geographically,only people in Portugal might accept them.In this respect it is Greece who has the warmest areas of the continent on average;)?

Maybe yes, maybe not... ;)



I am afraid the Iberian Peninslula can never compete with Greece's hotspots ;)

I´m afraid that you don´t have enough data to conclude such a thing. It´s too scanty which turns any conclusions pretty obscure.
But I´m ok with other opinions...
I have been curious about this: why you don´t take any Rivaz Martinez data as serious?